# Foojay Podcast #19: Working Free For Fun Brings Fame & Fortune

> Many devs spend their time on side projects: an opportunity to learn and get involved in communities, sometimes leading to a new job!

- URL: https://foojay.io/today/foojay-podcast-19/
- Published: 2023-04-17
- Authors: Frank Delporte, Lukas Eder, Maarten Mulders, Tim te Beek
- Categories: Developer Tools, Interviews, Maven, OpenRewrite, Opinion, Podcast


Many developers spend a lot of their time on side projects. It's an opportunity to learn new techniques and get involved in communities.

But sometimes it can also lead to a new job.

Or even starting a business based on such a project.

Today we are talking to people who achieved such a transition and became famous and rich, or at least some of each…

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## Guests

* Tim te Beek
  * <https://twitter.com/TimteBeek>
  * <https://docs.openrewrite.org>
  * <https://www.moderne.io>
* Maarten Mulders
  * <https://twitter.com/mthmulders>
* Lukas Eder
  * <https://twitter.com/lukaseder>
  * <https://www.jooq.org/>

## Podcast host

* Frank Delporte
  * <https://twitter.com/FrankDelporte>
  * <https://foojay.social/@frankdelporte>

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## Content

* 00'00 Intro
* 00'31 Introduction of the guests
* 02'28 What projects are the guests working on?
  * <https://maven.apache.org/>
  * Maven Central Search: <https://github.com/mthmulders/mcs>
  * <https://foojay.io/today/introduction-to-maven-toolchains/>
  * <https://docs.openrewrite.org>
  * <https://www.moderne.io>
  * <https://www.jooq.org/>
  * <https://foojay.io/today/5-great-reasons-to-use-jooq/>
* 06'34 How Tim got a job at Moderne
* 08'23 The connection between OpenRewrite and Moderne
* 09'23 How jOOQ became a company
  * <https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/the-cathedral/0596001088/>
  * <https://scala-slick.org/>
  * <https://foojay.io/today/vaadin-and-jooq-match-made-in-heaven/>
  * <https://foojay.io/today/multiple-spring-boot-apps-same-project/>
* 14'44 Building a product is more valuable compared to offering support
  * <https://entreprenerd.lowagie.com/index.html>
* 21'22 About open-source licenses
* 23'48 Why and how Info Support allows Maarten to work on open-source within working hours
* 27'47 What you can learn from an open-source project
  * <https://s.apache.org/for-the-grabs_maven>
* 28'54 Does every developer have to do be an open-source contributor?
* 32'13 Becoming rich thanks to open-source? Projects versus Products…
  * <https://s.apache.org/for-the-grabs_maven>
* 48'33 About the Fosdem talk about OpenRewrite
  * <https://foojay.io/today/foojay-io-at-fosdem-2023-trip-report/>
  * <https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/migrations/>
* 48'53 Benevolent dictator for life and how to make money from a programming language
  * <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life>
  * <https://business.jooq.org/>
* 51'22 Outro