Exploring the Impact of Stack Size on JVM Thread Creation: A Myth Debunked
September 20, 2023Among Java developers, a prevailing assumption is that the number of native threads that can be created within the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) is linked to the stack size. To scrutinize this widespread notion, an experiment was conducted. The results revealed that stack size plays a less significant role in native thread creation than previously thought.
The Experiment
The experiment utilized the following Java program, which continuously creates threads and counts them using an AtomicInteger.
import java.util.concurrent.atomic.AtomicInteger; import java.util.concurrent.locks.LockSupport; public class ThreadCounter { public static void main(String[] args) { AtomicInteger counter = new AtomicInteger(); while (true) { Thread thread = new Thread(() -> { counter.incrementAndGet(); if (counter.get() % 100 == 0) { System.out.printf("Number of threads created so far: %d%n", counter.get()); } LockSupport.park(); }); thread.start(); } } }
Test Environment
The test ran on a machine with the following configuration:
- Processor: Apple M1 Max
- Memory: 64 GB
- Operating System: macOS Vancura
- Java Version: openjdk 21
Experimental Results
Default Stack Size
The initial test was conducted using the default stack size of 2048 KB. Approximately 16,300 threads were created before an OutOfMemoryError was triggered.
Number of threads created so far: 16300
Number of threads created so far: 16300 [3.566s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread "Unknown thread" - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 2048k, guardsize: 16k, detached. [3.566s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start the native thread for java.lang.Thread "Thread-16354" Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create native thread: possibly out of memory or process/resource limits reached
Calculations indicate that the memory required for these 16,300 threads was around 31.875 GB, well below the total memory of 64 GB.
10 MB Stack Size
To change the stack size to 10 MB, the following JVM option was used:
-XX:ThreadStackSize=10240
The program yielded a similar result—16,300 threads—before the OutOfMemoryError occurred again.
Number of threads created so far: 16300
Number of threads created so far: 16300 [3.995s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread "Unknown thread" - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 10240k, guardsize: 16k, detached. [3.995s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start the native thread for java.lang.Thread "Thread-16354" Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create native thread: possibly out of memory or process/resource limits reached at java.base/java.lang.Thread.start0(Native Method)
In case you want to use IntelliJ IDEA, you can configure the stack size, check the following image:
1 GB Stack Size
Finally, for the most extreme case, the stack size was set to 1 GB using:
-XX:ThreadStackSize=1048576
Remarkably, the program again maxed out at approximately 16,300 threads, reinforcing the pattern observed in the previous tests.
Number of threads created so far: 16300
Number of threads created so far: 16200 Number of threads created so far: 16300 [3.497s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start thread "Unknown thread" - pthread_create failed (EAGAIN) for attributes: stacksize: 1048576k, guardsize: 16k, detached. [3.497s][warning][os,thread] Failed to start the native thread for java.lang.Thread "Thread-16354" Exception in thread "main" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: unable to create native thread: possibly out of memory or process/resource limits reached
Insights from the Data
The consistency across all three tests underscores that stack size does not affect the number of native threads that can be created. Rather, the limitation appears to be imposed by the operating system.
It's worth noting that the OS was capable of creating more threads than the available physical memory, thanks to the concept of virtual memory. Virtual memory leverages disk space to extend RAM, allowing applications to allocate more memory than is physically present, albeit at a lower access speed.
Conclusion
Contrary to the commonly held belief, this experiment proves that stack size does not have a impact on the number of native threads that can be created in a JVM environment.
The constraint is primarily set by the operating system. This investigation effectively dispels the myth that stack size is the determining factor in native thread limitations.
Thank you for reading this. If you have a different perspective on this topic or if your experiments yield different results, I would be very interested to hear about it. Please feel free to share your findings with me.
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The stack size you set is a “virtual” size which gets committed (i.e. backed by physical memory) pagewise if you use it. In your toy example your thread stacks barely use more than a single page (plus the internal shadow pages – see https://pangin.pro/posts/stack-overflow-handling for the details).
You can use tools Like pmap to see the exact reserved (i.e. virtual) and committed (i.e. physical or RSS) memory consumption of each thread.
Hello,
Interesting facts, but I think the study would be more reliable if it was also conducted on different operating systems and/or machines with different capacities.